Checking In on the Children of Springfield

July 30, 2014

Before I could really dig into my Bauer BBQ fanfic for this year, I had to stop awhile and figure out what little ones would be running around and how old they are now. I thought this might be helpful for anyone wanting to write a “present day” Springfield story.  So I’m going to share some of my reasoning and notes and then a list by age. These are often rough calculations and any of them could be subject to SORAS at any given time. Personally I like to watch kids grow up on screen, so I won’t be SORASing. Sadly I’ve had to leave the mess age wise that is James Spaulding and Daisy/Susan LeMay/Cooper because there is just no way to leave it and no way fix it and keep any kind of continuity, so we are just swallowing it and going on. So James, Daisy, and Ashlee are all safely graduated from college now and in the young adult storyline, where no one has no idea how old anybody is. ;-) But just for the heck of it going by Zach Conroy’s age, James Spaulding should be 29 and so should Ashlee Wolfe according to Caitlain VanZandt’s age. If take James’s age when we meet him fresh out of boarding school to be 18, he should be 23 instead. At the rate she was going Daisy/Susan is probably now 4.

In the Santos family, Robbie 13 this year, Hope is 9, and Danielle (who I created in my Springfield Bound story which Michelle told Danny about shortly after Rick and Mindy’s wedding as shown in the flashforward and so would have been born in 2011 and so is now 3).

Marcy Rylan had her baby who played as a baby bump H.B. Lewis IV (Bizzie’s son) on  Oct. 21, 2009. Since Lizzie only revealed her pregnancy in the flash forward set in September 2010, Little Billy the Fourth should have been born at least approximately Oct. 21, 2010 which would make him 4 now and a year older than Dani Santos.

Sarah Randall was born in 2006 and she is 8 this year. Peyton Spaulding (Beth’s daughter with Alan) was born in 2008 and she is 6 this year. Jude Bauer was born October 12, 2001 and is also 13 because he’s during the part of the year where he and Robbie are the same age, he’ll turn 14 in 14 months and be a year older than Robbie for the next 6 months. I’m going to pretend Leah is just a fast developer and say she’s 12 just to get her back younger than Jude like she should be in the story, but to deal with the fact we’ve already seen her as a teenager. Zach Spaulding is 15, also based on his on screen birthdate. While I was figuring ages, Rocky Bradshaw Cooper would be 26 now (that’s taking the original distance in age between him and Coop and subtracting it from Coop’s SORASed age when he died).

I asked ItsOnlySoaps and she says, “Kevin and Jason Marler the boys 17…18 in Nov Clarissa 14…15 in Dec.” without SORASing, but Mick Hazen played Jason when last seen around Ross’ funeral, going by his age Kevin and Jason are 21. Holding at the three year difference that would make Clarissa 18.

Maureen Reardon (Matt and Vanessa’s daughter, named after Michelle’s mother) was last played by Frank Dicopoulos’s daughter, Olivia Dicopoulos, based on Olivia’s age Maureen is now 17.

Colin O’Neill (Reva’s son with Jeffery O’Neil) based on show birthdate is now 6.

Emma Spencer Spaulding was born in 2006, but aged to 7 in 2007, making her birthdate 2000. That would make her older than Robbie Santos and Jude Bauer though which doesn’t work well generationally (making sure there are clusters of kids of close ages) so I’m going to stick with the 2007 birthdate.

Francesca Cooper only appeared the last day, but they gave her a November 2009 birthdate. So that means she’s 4 as well.

Henry Cooper Lewis the football that was passed around between Shayne, Dinah, Mallet, and Marina was born in late 2008. That should make him 5.

So here is my list. I’m probably missing people. Let me know who else you think should be included. Whether these children would actually be around town or not is, of course, up to you and how you plot your story.

In reverse chronological order, the current children of Springfield:

Danielle “Dani” Santos, 3

H.B. Lewis IV, 4

Francesca Cooper, 4

Henry Cooper Lewis, 5

Colin O’Neill, 6

Peyton Spaulding, 6

Emma Spencer Spaulding, 7

Sarah Randall, 8

Hope Santos, 9

Leah Bauer, 12

Robbie Santos, 13

Jude Bauer, 13

Zach Spaulding, 15

Maureen Reardon, 17

Clarissa Marler, 18

Kevin Marler, 21

Jason Marler, 21

Rocky Bradshaw Cooper, 26

Robansuefarm is the handle of one of Manny and Guiding Light‘s biggest fans following in her family’s footsteps of Guiding Light fandom since 1939. This blog is an effort to make it easy to find Guiding Light and especially Manny online. Check back here for her blog, find fanfic previews and fake WSPR newscasts on her YouTube, find podcasts that look back to old shows and audios of her fanfics on Blog Talk Radio, and finally follow her on Twitter and Facebook.

Pre 1998 Santos in Springfield

July 24, 2014

I have been e-mailing with Peter Bradfield who is a Guiding Light history researcher. He’s sent me stuff previously for the Dates of Springfield page and some very helpful clips for my Places in Springfield series which I need to get back on.  However, he caught me completely by surprise recently with the following aside in an e-mail.

 Yes, I even feel that the Santos story line still fit into the history of the show (you know the Santos family had some mentions by the Reardons and the Bauers prior to 1999 — I know of at least three for sure, one from Diane Ballard at Spaulding Enterprises in January 1981, one from Tony Reardon on Christmas Eve 1981 and the other one from Mike Bauer in June 1982 …. yes, I actually am surprised that there were later writers that paid attention to Doug Marland actually having characters mention  the Santos family as far back as 1981.)

I replied that this was news to me and I found it very strange because I’ve read interviews with the writers and they said they deliberately created a Hispanic family with a female head to break the mafia stereotype (Italian and all male). They never once said they were tying it in to previous mentions. And while I wastching 1981-1982 and have fond memories from then, I was still very little and something like a mention to someone I’d never heard of could easily have gone right over my head. I asked re any of those online?

Actually yes they all are (all on youtube.)  Diane Ballard’s mention of the Santos family from January 1981 is given in one of the videos of Jennifer Richards murder trial.  It’s very brief, but Diane mentions the Santos family as someone Alan will have to contact when he’s back in the office.  

The one from Tony Reardon on December 1981 (Christmas Eve, from the episode posted on youtube that isn’t very clear — that I actually sent the poster of it) comes from the fact that Tony brings out a bottle of sherry that he shares with Mrs. Renfield, who makes a surprise visit to the Boarding House and Tony states that the bottle of sherry was given to the Reardons from Mr. Santos when he was staying at the Boarding House.  
And then the one from Mike Bauer from either June or July 1982 is also on one of the videos from that time period, but is very very brief and uses the name Santos as a family he has had some legal wranglings with, which in retrospect is rather humorous that Marland would put that in Mike’s mouth.      

So I’m looking for these references online. If you come across one, please let me know.

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Update to FAQs

July 23, 2014

One of the areas that I keep working on is FAQs. I was doing a quick hunt for something and ran across this. It was last updated in 1998, but it looks good.

Guiding Light Logo Shirt Back

Guiding Light Logo Shirt Back

Part 1 – General questions

Part 2 – Cast information

Part 3 – Family Trees

Part 4 – Character Histories

Part 5 – Roger – Holly – Ed History

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Jeva Wedding Number 1 Cross Creek

July 21, 2014

Jeva WeddingI have to say to begin with I’m not a Jeva fan, but even so, I still consider Josh Lewis and Reva Shayne marrying for the first time at Cross Creek (aka Jeva Wedding Number 1) as the greatest soap wedding ever. It had everything a soap wedding should: ties to the community, beautiful location shots, beautiful clothes (that dress, that hat, Josh’s white suit), lots of family members, family traditions (which were carried on at future Lewis family weddings, not made up for this one and then forgotten), drama simmering beneath the scenes (will Rusty be able to get Will Jefferies, will Mindy and Rusty FINALLY get together, will Jeva find the perfect place for their wedding, will Reva make it to the wedding even after she was left behind, what is Reva’s big secret she hasn’t told Josh yet and what does that have to do with yon handsome stranger Dylan). In addition it just has normal wedding stuff all too often missing from soap weddings, Billy getting people to tape a videotape a wedding message to Josh and Reva, odd people dancing together, Marah running around giggling and dancing. It’s just the perfect soap wedding and makes you feel wonderful. (Except what is the deal with that strange looking guy being the minister?) I’m sure you’ll enjoy this, so welcome to Cross Creek and the biggest blowout it’s ever seen, the Jeva wedding, July 14-18, 1989. See summaries of other storylines below the clip links.

You may want to watch Bauer BBQ 1989 to help catch you up on the various supporting storylines.

P.S. If you want to know, weddings 2 and 3 on my all time best wedding list are Quola, also on Guiding Light, and Niktor number 1 on The Young and the Restless.

In addition to the footage of the wedding itself I’ve included links to some other materials (promo, restored clips, etc.) and linked to all the footage on the clip channel I got this from so it actually starts a few days before the wedding with prep. The entire first lead up to the wedding episode is available as part of the Bauer BBQ 1989 which was right before the wedding.


Restored Digital Clip:

Part 1 (Lots of cute Marah)

Part 2 (Billy takes Reva dancing)

Part 3 (Josh comes back and finds Reva asleep in bed with Billy, Lewis family argue over whether to have a big wedding at Cross Creek or not)

Part 4 (Reva finds a horse and races, they find H.B.)

Part 5 (Jeva plan a nap, Reva is excited about being back, she’s been away a long time, their nap is interrupted by visitors)

Full Episode with Original Commercials – July 11, 1989 (Highlight Clips Version continues below)

Part 6 (Reva wakes up early to go fishing, discovers Billy and Dylan sleeping in trunk, and takes Billy fishing)

Part 7 (Recreated Billy and Reva flashback to summer they conceived Dylan – don’t know yet)

Part 8 (Billy and Reva have an honest talk, Josh comes and finds them)

Full Episode with Original Commercials – July 12, 1989 (Highlight Clips Version continues below)

Part 9 (Josh and Reva go back to high school – This part is really, REALLY great)

Part 10 (Jeva look for a spot to get married)

Full Episode with Original Commercials – July 13, 1989 (Highlight Clips Version continues below) – 37 minutes in are the terrific Mindy and Rusty at the high school scenes that were cut out of the highlight clips, 55 minutes in is a dedication to Christopher Bernau (Alan Spaulding #1) on the occasion of his death.

Part 11 (Jeva spring their wedding plans on Hawk and Sarah)

Full Episode with Original Commercials – July 14, 1989 (Highlight Clips Version continues below) NOTE: One song muted because blocked otherwise according to channel owner.

Part 12 (Real cute Marah takes a bath, Lewis family fishing on wedding day morning)

Part 13 (Hawk and Sarah get ready for the wedding with some help from Marah)

Part 14 (More fishing, HB reminisces about Miss Martha, they compare Marah and Miss Martha’s photos, Reva talks about her psychological issues growing up as daughter of the help)

Part 15 (Billy and Josh talk about silver cufflinks H.B. gave them, then talk Billy’s football career)

Jeva and Wedding Cake

Jeva and Wedding Cake


Boat Across Lake

Shorter CBS Restored Version

Full Episode with Original Commercials – July 17, 1989 (Highlight Clips Version continues below) NOTE: One song muted because blocked otherwise according to channel owner.

Part 16 (Montage, Marriage Ceremony with Vows)

Part 17 (Rest of Ceremony and Wedding Dance)

Part 18 (Nice Rusty-Mindy scene ruined by his obsession with stupid Rose, Then lots of Billy’s recording of stories)

Part 19 (These family and friend stories ring so true and really help make the wedding)

Full Episode with Original Commercials – July 18, 1989 (Highlight Clips Version continues below) Honeymoon, Part muted around 30 minutes to avoid being blocked.

Here’s the bit with the sound:

Part 20 (Wedding Night)

Other storylines in the full episodes:

Roger revealed himself at Blake and Phillip’s wedding, saving Blake’s life. Since he was alive, he had to face all the legal charges that he was facing when he fell off the clip. Ross had been Roger’s lawyer when he first came to town and is defending him alive now. Roger was working as a CIA operative during the years everyone thought he was dead and that gets him off now. Since some of those charges involved kidnapping Holly she isn’t pleased to see him go free. Holly is wrong about Roger not trying right here though, he honestly is trying to make up for past wrongs. However, she’s right to some extent that Roger hasn’t changed. Roger spent his life being torn between wanting Spaulding Enterprises, money and power or Holly and relationship happiness. He really could never have both or decide which he wanted which led his actions to veer greatly between them and created lots of chaos in his wake. Phillip is very supportive of Roger right now because Roger saved Blake’s life and Phillip loves Blake. Alan is actually telling the truth (he’d faked proof of Beth’s death to help Phillip move on believing Beth was really dead), but he’s only telling it now as a last ditch effort to keep Phillip and Blake apart. Beth will soon be back, but only after they swap out Blakes.

In a storyline no one I’ve found liked, Rusty inexplicably dumped Mindy who was his soulmate for a mealy mouth, annoying, ex-prostitute named Rose. Rusty married Rose and she was recently murdered. Rusty suspects it was done by Will Jefferies who was then married to Mindy and he was right.

I don’t know who this Dana is and the couple who apparently want her to lose the child. Rick is especially vulnerable and protective of pregnant women right now because he’s just suffered through his first miscarriage with Meredith.

Johnny Bauer and Chelsea Reardon are currently a couple and working together on their new talk show One on One at WSPR. The people they are talking about using is the poor family they found in the 4th of July episode linked to above. Chelsea has an issue with Holly both professionally and because Holly is having an affair with Ed while Ed is married to Chelsea’s sister Maureen.

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Love Like This by A.J. Gundell

July 20, 2014

When I was working on The Love on the Air blog post I tried to find a lyrics post about this Emmy winning song and failed. It has such beautiful words and so fitting to the occassion that I wanted to share the words. They are by A.J. Gundell. Find more information in the post on Love On the Air.

Love Like This – Emmy Award Winner, 1991 – Written to be used as a farewell flashback montage when Rick left the show after the help fake Phillip’s death debacle. Rick is walking around the Bauer House saying goodbye to all the memories. According to Gundell, it was almost cut from the episode because it was running long.

This house is so full of memories and dreams I’ve lost and found. Everything rushes back to me as I take one last look around I feel the love of a family that’s always there and the friends whove always taken on the time to care shining on me like a light that guides my way.

And home gives me the feeling that I’m never far from home, even when the road is dark and I’ll be out there on my own. So as I pack my bags to leave, I close my eyes and make believe i’m going to find love like this again

I’ve made some mistakes but they were things I did for love, No matter how you try sometimes, you just really can’t rise above.  I see the smile of a woman an I’ve loved so trues and feel the pain of a friend who loves her too. Bitter and sweet is the way I taste these tears.

The wind will blow my way and then I’ll be back,  I just don’t know when  But that’s when I find love like this again. Back home that’s when I know I’ll find love, like this again, I’m gonna find love like this again.

Robansuefarm is the handle of one of Manny and Guiding Light‘s biggest fans following in her family’s footsteps of Guiding Light fandom since 1939. This blog is an effort to make it easy to find Guiding Light and especially Manny online. Check back here for her blog, find fanfic previews and fake WSPR newscasts on her YouTube, find podcasts that look back to old shows and audios of her fanfics on Blog Talk Radio, and finally follow her on Twitter and Facebook.

Other Soaps Couple Codes Update July 2014

July 19, 2014

I’m continuing work on creating a list of couple code aka smoosh names aka the names people create for couples by combing their names. I’ve posted the list before,but I’ve added more and will continue to post it as I continue to add more. I’m a long way from all of them though so please, tell me who I’m still missing. I think I have finally collected most of the Guiding Light couple codes (click here) and am now branching out to collect other soaps. The shows and the names are listed in alphabetical order. All couples are eligible to be included if they are on a daytime soap opera and have a commonly used nickname or code.  I threw a few primetime ones on at the bottom too, just for fun. This list is by no means complete at this point, but I found with my work with the Guiding Light list that people tend to respond more after they see what you have. I also have reserved a spot on the the list for anyone with a nickname that might be confused with a couple code. For example, on the Guiding Light list I’ve included Cleva for Clone Reva. So here are the couples whose name I’ve remember or had suggested to me so far. If you spot I’m missing one from any daytime soap, please let me know on Facebook, Twitter, in the comments below or by e-mailing me at

All My Children

BAM – Bianca Montgomery and Maggie Stone

Greenleo – Greenlee Smythe and Leo du Pres

Jamanda – Dr. Joseph “Jake” Henry Martin Jr. and Amanda Dillion

Jannie – Adam Chandler III and Adam Lavery

Rylee – Ryan Lavery and Greenlee Smythe

Zendall – Kendall Hart and Zach Slater

As the World Turns

Benry – Barbara Ryan and Henry Coleman

CarJack – Carly Tenney and Jack Snyder

HEM – Hal Munson and Emily Stewart

Jacket – Jack Snyder and Janet Ciccone

Linden – Lily Walsh and Holden Snyder

LuRe – Luciano “Luke” Snyder and Reid Oliver

Lusty – Lucy Montgomery and Dusty Donovan

Nuke – Noah Mayer and Luciano “Luke” Snyder

PEG – Paul Ryan and Meg Snyder

PEM – Paul Ryan and Emily Stewart

NutMeg – Meg Snyder once she went around the bend.

The Bold and the Beautiful

$Bill – Dollar Bill – Nickname for Bill Spencer

Batie – Bill Spencer and Katie Logan

Bridge – Brooke Logan and Ridge Forrester

Brill – Brooke Logan and Bill Spencer

Hott- Hope Logan and Wyatt Spencer

Kari – Katie Logan and Ridge Forrester aka Kridge

Kridge – Katie Logan and Ridge Forrester aka Kari (I don’t really acknowledge this on it sounds like something you’d scrape out of a fish filter)

Lope – Liam Spencer and Hope Logan

Nicket – Nick Marone and Bridget Logan

Raya – Rick Forrester and Maya Avant

Stem – Steffy Forrester and Liam Spencer

Tridge – Taylor Hays and Ridge Forrester

Days of Our Lives

Bope – Bo Brady and Hope Williams

Broe – Brady Black and Chloe Lane

Dannifer – Dr. Daniel Jonas and Jennifer Horton

EJAbby – EJ Dimera and Abby Deveraux

EJami – EJ Dimera and Sami Brady

EJole – EJ Dimera and Nicole Walker

Ericole – Eric Brady and Nicole Walker

Haiden – Hope Williams and Aiden Jennings

Jarlena – John Black and Marlena Evans

Lumi – Lucas Horton and Sami Brady

Shelle – Shawn Brady and Belle Black

WilSon – Will Horton and Sonny Kiriakis

General Hospital

Britch or The Britch – an unflattering nickname for Dr. Britt Westbourne, used by her enemies

Cranco – Carly Benson Jacks and Sonny Corinthos

Fluke – Fake Luke Spencer

Jarly – Jason Morgan and Carly Benson Jacks

Jasam – Jason Morgan and Sam McCall

Julexis – Julian Jerome and Alexis Davis

Lante – Lulu Spencer and Dante Falconeri

LiRic – Liz Webber and Ric Lansing

Liason – Liz Webber and Jason Morgan

McBam – John McBain and Samantha McCall

Miki – Michael Corinthos and Kiki Jerome

Niz – Nicolas Cassadine and Liz Webber

Patrina – Patrick Drake and Sabrina Santiago

Rexis – Ric Lansing and Alexis Davis

Scrubs – Robin Scorpio and Patrick Drake

Siam – Silas Clay and Sam McCall

Solivia – Sonny Corinthos and Olivia Falconeri

Spixie – Damian Spinelli and Maxie Jones

Tarly – Todd Manning and Carly Benson Jacks

One Life to Live

Gex – Gigi Morasco and Walter “Rex” Balsom, Jr.

Kish – Kyle Lewis and Oliver Fish

TnB – Todd Manning and Blair Cramer

The Young and the Restless

Chadam – Chelsea Lawson and Adam Newman

Chilly – Chole Mitchell and Billy Abbott

Chylan – Chelsea Lawson and Dylan McAvoy

Davery – Dylan McAvoy and Avery Bailey Clark

Hevon – Hillary Curtis and Devon Hamilton

Likey – Lauren Fenmore and Michael Baldwin

Naul – Nikki Reed and Paul Williams

Neslie – Neil Winters and Leslie Michaelson

Niktor – Nikki Reed and Victor Newman

Phack – Phyllis Summers and Jack Abbott

Phick – Phyllis Summers and Nick Newman

Shick – Sharon Newman and Nick Newman

Sticky – Ben ‘Stitch’ Rayburn and Victoria Newman aka Vitch

Tabby – Tyler Michaelson and Abby Carleton Newman

Villy – Victoria Newman and Billy Abbott

Vitch – Victoria Newman and Ben ‘Stitch’ Rayburn aka Sticky

Big Bang Theory

Lenny – Leonard and Penny

Shamy – Sheldon and Amy (actually coined and used by Penny on the show, love a shipper)


Caskett – Richard Castle and Kate Beckett


Tate – Tony Di Nozzo and Caitlin Todd

Tiva – Tony DiNozzo and Ziva David

The Muppets

Kermiggy – Kermit the Frog and Miss Piggy


Shules – Shawn Spencer and Julie “Jules” O’Hara

UPDATED: July 18, 2014

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Maeve Stoddard Stops Kyle Sampson’s Wedding to Reva Shayne Again

July 17, 2014

This was the second time that Maeve had stopped Kyle Sampson’s marriage to Reva Shayne. See the aftermath of the first time when Maeve announces she was pregnant with Kyle’s child and agrees to marry him herself because she loved him and for the sake of the child. Kyle was especially weak to this argument because he’d been abandoned by both his parents as a child and was so hurt by this that he’d actually come to town to get revenge on H.B. Lewis who he thought was his father at the time (it was actually a priest who was now a Catholic Cardinal).
Kyle Sampson – Maeve Stoddard Wedding:

Kyle was brought on to be a genuine threat to Reva and Josh, his actor Larkin Malloy having been brought in from a successful run on Edge of Night. Frankly I was more invested in Kyle’s relationship with eventually revealed half-brother Billy Lewis than in any of his romances, but you can see at this point that he is suffering the fate of most Jeva spoilers and being driven crazy, poisoning his relationship with Billy. However, as awful as it is to give someone else’s baby up for adoption I really can’t be on Maeve’s side either. I wanted to like professional businesswoman, journalist Maeve, I truly did, but I didn’t. I think it might have been because while she presented herself as an independent career woman, she weakly hung on one man or another. When Maeve was introduced she was basically stalking Kyle when she got pregnant and then married Kyle knowing he was just doing it to support the child and that he was still in love with Reva who he had originally been supposed to be marry right before he married Maeve instead. Instead of accepting the situation as she seems to be doing in the Kyle-Maeve wedding clips in the post above, she slowly grows to hate Kyle who surprising nobody, but her stayed in love with Reva. Maeve faked her baby’s death and then pretended to adopt another baby. This time in fall of 1986, Maeve stops Kyle and Reva’s with news that Ben has been kidnapped. Kyle went too far, but I think he honestly thought the baby would be endangered living with Maeve and had good reason to think that.  I often think how much better off Ben would have been if Fletcher hadn’t butted in and Kyle had been allowed to be a part of his life or that Billy  remembered the beloved half-brother, not the whacko at the end, and stepped in and supported Ben more. Honestly, I don’t see how the writers are expecting everybody to see Maeve, WHO FAKED HER SON’S DEATH TO KEEP HIM AWAY FROM HIS FATHER, as having the moral high ground, but that’s how this is written. Afterall H.B. who Kyle was close with at the time basically says he deserved it because he got mad and yelled and the woman who FAKED THAT HIS SON DIED. I don’t get this. As I said the only thing I really liked about Kyle was his relationship with Billy which was great, so I wasn’t a Kyle fan, but honestly I think this is all a bit much if they weren’t playing destroy the Jeva spoiler.

Reva Kyle Maeve 1986

Reva Kyle Maeve 1986

I also would say that Maeve was the destructive force and that Kyle, no matter what his other faults, would have been a strong and supportive father and considering how much it meant to him to take care of his son and make sure that he felt loved. Add that to Fletcher’s total abandonment of Ben later and I think Ben would have been better off protected from Maeve by Kyle than the other way around. I don’t think that Kyle’s “tearing into Maeve” was out of line in the circumstances. They are concerned about Reva because after Maeve stopped the wedding the first time Reva made an unsuccessful suicide attempt. That was a nice little bit of how positive the Hawk Shayne and Lillian Raines relationship was before Miss Sarah came back into the picture.

The musical montage is to “A Place for Us” which was Reva and Kyle’s theme.

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Josh Lewis and Annie Dutton Part 6

July 16, 2014

I recently found a great YouTube channel with some wonderful early Annie and Josh stuff on it. Sadly they are short clips, but as I hadn’t held out much hope  for seeing any of this again I’m so glad to see any of it. As regular readers know I’ve never been much of a Josh Lewis fan (give me Billy Lewis over him any time, any day, anyway), but even I have to admit the early Josh Lewis meets Annie Dutton stuff was amazingly good. Much in the tradition of Sam and Diane on Cheers or Maddie and David on Moonlightingalmost in the style of Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn in their movies, their contentious early relationship was worth cheering and when it turned first to respect and then to romance you really wanted them to make it unlike Josh’s earlier forced “move on from Reva” attempt with Tangie Hill. I wish I had more of it, but I’m glad to give you a little glimpse. We pick up with our 6th part.

Annie meets Josh outside Cedars during her break. She tells him she only has 2 minutes, so Josh sets his watch alarm. Annie is no longer mad at Josh for eavesdropping when she was on the phone with her grandmother. She bought 2 tickets for the 5th Street Ball. Josh seems surprised. Annie says she stole his thunder.

Rick tells Ed and Eve that everything is set for the surgery tomorrow. Rick leaves Eve’s room and finds Annie (with her back to him) in the hallway. Annie conceals her anxiety before turning around and saying that it’s great to see him. She tells him she wasn’t avoiding him. Annie learns that Rick will be staying in Springfield for a little bit. Sometime Rick would like to hear about Annie’s new life here. Rick walks off and Josh comes up to Annie. She quickly walks with Josh in the other direction.

Josh has Annie’s gown for the 5th Street Ball, which he promises will make her the “most beautiful, gorgeous, delicious dish this city has ever seen.” Annie tantalizes him with the chance for a preview.

Josh is impatient to see Annie in her dress. She barely has her petticoat on when Josh enters the room. As Josh and Annie kiss, Rick walks in on them. Annie seems alarmed. She asks Rick for news about Eve. She tells Rick and she and Josh are friends.

Annie talks to Rick about how hard the news about Eve is, but quickly changes the subject to her (Annie) and Josh. Rick tells Annie that she doesn’t need to say anything, but Annie continues to say that it has been a long time since she’s been happy and that she doesn’t want anything to change that. Annie doesn’t seem completely reassured at the end of their conversation that her happiness is not in jeopardy.

Josh supports Vanessa and Matt’s marriage plans. Vanessa just told the immediate family; she hasn’t spoken to Bill or Billy yet. She’s worried about Billy’s reaction, but Josh thinks Billy may surprise her. She correctly guesses that Josh has been thinking about Reva lately. She doesn’t find it weird, but reminds Josh that life is for the living. Josh answers the doorbell and finds Annie waiting. Annie wants to make sure everything is on for tonight… their first night together.

Outside of Annie’s apartment, Josh promises to make this night up to Annie. Annie says there is nothing to make up. She tries to persuade him to stay for a night cap. He can’t because Shayne is running a fever and Josh wants to go check on him. Now Annie understands why Josh was distracted.

Marah and Shayne see Josh and Annie kissing outside the front door. Josh invites Annie to celebrate Matt and Vanessa’s marriage announcement with the family, but she has to go on work before she can get off work before their night together can begin. Josh heads back inside and tickles Marah and Shayne crazy.

While Josh is talking on the phone, Marah walks down the steps wearing Reva’s hat. Vanessa thought Josh got rid of Reva’s clothing a long time ago. So did Josh. (Ed Note: It’s Reva’s hat from the Cross Creek Wedding.)

Robansuefarm is the handle of one of Manny and Guiding Light‘s biggest fans following in her family’s footsteps of Guiding Light fandom since 1939. This blog is an effort to make it easy to find Guiding Light and especially Manny online. Check back here for her blog, find fanfic previews and fake WSPR newscasts on her YouTube, find podcasts that look back to old shows and audios of her fanfics on Blog Talk Radio, and finally follow her on Twitter and Facebook.

Goodbye My Friend – Maureen’s Death Updated 2014

July 15, 2014

I had previously posted on this topic, but since the original post I have found a lot of additions and updates. I’ve tried to work them in, but at this point think it will be clearer if I just start again. Click to below to find the original post:

For Manny fans watch these clips to: see Michelle cope with the worst tragedy in her life, see Ross and Ed BE best friends instead of just hearing that they were,

Maureen Reardon Bauer 1993

Maureen Reardon Bauer 1993

understand Michelle and Holly’s relationship, and see the connection between Michelle and A-M or why she should have gotten to talk to him at the last scene in the bar in Nov. 2005, even if it would have upset stupid Marina.

ClassicGL aka Kahlil Lowry was hit by a car and was killed 10/31/2008. His family made the decision to keep his Guiding Light Memory Project going. We thank him for his efforts. While his versions might not be the most complete available on YouTube, the range of stories he covers is unusually thorough. The majority of the links in the post come from his version of the story of Maureen Reardon Bauer’s death. I’ve added additional clips and if I find better copies or copies at all of crucial scenes currently not listed below, like the affair itself or Michelle asking Roger Thorpe to stay at the visitation because he was his mother’s friend (see I’m not just whistling Dixie about her attracting trouble) or Holly ripping  into Ed when she learns exactly what happened, I will revisit this critical aspect to the Manny story and really to all of Springfield history.

Maureen’s death was absolutely pivotal to Springfield history. Showing just how much impact and how many shockwaves this story set off, the March 2, 2010 issue of Soap Opera Digest has two articles about soap opera deaths and both feature a prominent mention of Maureen’s death, 17 years after it happened and 11 months after the cancellation of Guiding Light was announced. Her death was also the instigation for an entire generation of Springfield young people who bonded over the fact that they had all (at least thought permanently) lost at least one parent.

NOTE: I know it looks like there are a lot of clips linked to below, but the ones from the main channel are only a few minutes each (almost all less than 5 minutes). Scroll past the storyline summary and comments for links.

The Storyline:

In one of the worst mistakes in Guiding Light history, Michelle’s mother Maureen Reardon Bauer was killed. Lillian Raines was preforming a routine monthly check of her breasts and found a lump. Ed supported her during her fight against breast cancer. At the same time, Ed was resentful of the time and energy Maureen was putting into her new job at Spaulding Enterprises. One night Ed and Lillian slept together and that might have been the end of it, but Lillian wrote Ed (one of her friend’s husbands) a thank you letter completely spelling out the affair. Maureen found this letter and left Ed over his repeated infidelity. She probably would have forgiven him eventually, as she had for several previous affairs, but he just kept insisting that she had to forgive him now. Disgusted Maureen took off upset and in poor driving conditions and her car crashed. She makes it to the hospital, but dies soon after and they are unable to revive her. She was an organ donor and her heart was transplanted into Jesse Blue at Ed’s request (we learn this much later). Her death appeared on screen January 11, 1993. The hole in the canvas resulting from Maureen’s death is never fully filled as TPTB throw away the perfect opportunity to move Manny in the central couple position of tying nearly everyone on the canvas together once held by Ed and Maureen, which would not have fixed the mistake, but would have filled an important and long empty spot on the canvas.

Scroll below the links for in-depth explanations of Eve Guthrie’s presence and Rick’s absence.

Running Comments:

The following is a running commentary from watching the clips. This took place in 1993. The furniture in the kitchen had changed slightly by 1998. Those awful, ugly vegetable prints were on the wall already though. I kind of wish when Danny was shot he would have gotten blood on them instead of the floor so they’d had to get rid of them.

Although Ed and Eve were later engaged, at this point they are only friends. It was Lillian that Ed’s most recent affair had been with. Vanessa was Maureen’s best friend that’s why Ed checked with her to see if Maureen had called her. Vanessa and Maureen were one of the truly great GL friendships. Later when Jenna’s ghost visits Vanessa, Vanessa tells Jenna she feels like she only ever had two true friends (Jenna and Maureen) and now they were both gone. Even while Ed’s calling looking for Maureen, it’s already too late, Maureen will never step foot in the Bauer house again. Ed calls Blake, his former step-daughter who was currently living in the apartment above the garage to check if she’s heard from Maureen.

Vanessa understands why Maureen died, which is why she’d never  would have shared her wedding with Lillian. Sorry Lillibuzz fans, it rang false. Oh, if only Maureen had gone with Vanessa when she asks. “Write her another letter.”  – Maureen found out because Lillian wrote Ed a thank-you letter for the affair. (I mean a THANK YOU letter! And Tina Sloan wonders why people never got over it?!)

Ed changed his name from his childhood name of Billy to Ed to distance himself from his father because of his drinking and womanizing. However, he copied both in all of his marriages. Michelle plays an important part in this story. She sees Ed and Lillian together (though not during the act itself). Michelle heard Maureen crying when she left. Maureen tells Ed she can’t put up with his infidelity and lies for Michelle. I think Maureen would have eventually forgiven Ed because she loved him warts and all and as she says this wasn’t a surprise. I don’t think she could break away. She just needed time and space, but Ed was so self-absorbed, he insisted she had to forgive him right then.

Maureen only got pregnant that we know of once. It was a year or two before Michelle was born. Maureen considered Michelle her daughter, but never gave up on having another child with Ed. That’s what she was doing with the book about getting pregnant that Ed finds in the car.

The worst part of the whole thing about Ed’s affair with Lillian was that it wasn’t even the direct cause of Maureen’s accident, it was that he kept pushing her to forgive him right now. If Ed could only have trusted in their love and given her some space, she’d have come back to him. She always did, but unfortunately that’s Ed.

This is important to the Manny story because this is all Michelle can think about when Carmen tells her Danny slept with Drew. In fact the very line Maureen tells Ed she fears Michelle will learn from his behavior is what Danny says right before he sleeps with Drew, thinking Michelle doesn’t love him.

For all his skill as a doctor, Ed can’t save everybody. Rick’s mother Leslie (then Ed’s ex-wife) also died in a car accident (although that was a hit and run). Here Ed tries to put Maureen’s purse back together instead because that is something he can fix.

I’m still not sure where the Nick and Eve relationship is at this point, but that must be what Nick is doing there. Vanessa is Maureen’s best friend (again why there is NO WAY under heaven she would have shared her wedding with Lillibuzz). Alan-Michael is Ed’s great-nephew (which is kind of funny because after SORAS-ing, A-M is much older than Michelle, but an entire generation younger, it’s his mother Hope that is Michelle’s first cousin).  Ed does pay his penance, how would you like to work everyday where your spouse died when it was your fault?

Eve was a good doctor, a total whackadoodle, but a good doctor. That must have really hurt Vanessa to say Nadine was very nice and it was out of character. Ed also is putting the whole thing in terms of his needs and desires even as Maureen is on her deathbed. It’s just soooo Ed.

Bridget is in the attic because she is pregnant with Hart’s baby off a one-night stand (yep, Prince Charming did that twice) and when she realized he still wouldn’t marry her she made a deal to basically sell her baby to Nadine so Nadine could keep up the pretense that she was pregnant with Billy’s child which was really the only thing holding their marriage together since she had to get Billy drunk to get him to marry her in the first place. They came up with a lie that Bridget was going on a sort of service learning trip to Appalachia to explain why no one ever saw her and why she wasn’t in contact with them. That’s the class trip they keep talking about and why they would be trying to contact Bridget through Springfield University.

Lillian is diagnosed with Breast Cancer – The scene is labeled wrongly on YouTube

Ed and Lillian dancing way too closely at Mindy & Nick’s almost wedding reception before the blackout.

Ed and Maureen final confrontation

Ed and Maureen final confrontation
(Starting at 3:30)

Ed and Lillian heat up while trapped in the parking garage. (Starting at 0:50)
(Starting at 0:28) and Lillian kiss) and Lillian kiss some more starting at 2:58)

Lillian writes Ed that thank you letter. (Maureen finds Lillian’s letter- pixilated but crucial) (Part 1) 2) 3) 4) 5)

Part 6 of Goodbye My Friend has the sound disabled, so I didn’t link to it. 7 – Ed finds Maureen at the Bauer Cabin) 8-Ed tries to use Michelle and its effect on her which you can see play out in her future relationships, including her relationship with Danny, to convince Maureen to forgive him and come back. Maureen’s last words. Ed finds the crash site.) Quotes Below

“What is she [Michelle] supposed to believe? Certainly not in words that people say to each other that they call vows because they don’t mean anything.”

“The Hell with it.” – Ironically enough the very line Danny says right before he sleeps with Drew which is what Maureen is afraid here will be what Michelle learns about love from her father.

“That’s not good enough for my daughter and its certainly not good enough for me. God Ed, what were you thinking? How could you have let this happen? You have broken my heart.” – Maureen’s last words 9 – Ed is helpless to save Maureen, Maureen arrives at Cedars in ambulance) 10 –Vanessa confronts Lillian in the chapel – Ed begs Maureen not to leave him alone) 11 – Maureen dies, Ed has to sign a donor permission form and specifically mentions her heart. Later it is revealed that Ed actually designated Jesse Blue to get her heart because he felt some guilt that his drinking had led him not to be on duty the night that Jesse’s mother died and she was one of his patients.) 12 – Maureen Tribute over closing credits)
Pictures of Maureen are shown with many of the important people in her life. Maureen and Ed’s vow renewal (after their separation over, among other things, his affair with Holly). Ed with Blake, Blake was Ed’s former step-daughter and great-nephew A-M’s former wife. Couple of romantic shots with Ed. Maureen and her best friend Vanessa talk. Maureen, Vanessa, and Holly play with seltzer bottles. Maureen with Fletcher, a good friend who she once kissed in a fit of despondency over Ed.  Maureen and Ed watch Michelle play softball – another photo of the 3 of them this same day is frequently used later when Michelle talks about her childhood. Maureen with her niece Bridget (Matt’s sister) who eventually comes to see Maureen as a mentor when she straightens her life up before marrying true love Dylan and moving out of town. Maureen with Roger Thorpe, she didn’t excuse his bad behavior, but was his friend regardless. Another shot with Michelle and one with Ed. 13) 14 – Ed talks about Rick. Ed is still focused on himself, as a father I would have thought his first reaction would have been it would hurt Rick because it was close to how his own mother’s died. Leslie, remember her Ed?) 15 – Everyone is already wearing black [subtle guys] and our little Nancy Drew should have had an inkling from that. Michelle learns Maureen is dead.) 16 – Stops about 1 minute in) 17) 18 – Maureen’s funeral. Michelle preps for people coming over.) 19 – Glad they described the funeral, but I wish they would have shown it. Ed talks to Maureen.) 20) 21 – Michelle withdraws to her room.) 22 – No Lillian, I haven’t forgiven you yet. Vanessa tears into her.) 23 – Ben, Little Billy, and Michelle bond. Bill and Ben are just the 1st two of the many people in Michelle’s life that she feels drawn to through the early loss of a parent. She shares this same bond with Jesse, Drew, Marah, and most importantly Danny.) 24 – Ross helps Ed. Why Michelle should have gotten to talk to A-M in the last bar scene even if it upset Marina.) 25 – Michelle-Lillian smackdown. Ross helps Ed.) 26) 27 – Holly creates a bond with Michelle) 28 – More Holly and Michelle) 29 – Holly explains Michelle’s reaction. Ross tells Ed he loves him. Michelle goes to clean up after people have left, but “it’s all done.”) 30 – Michelle wakes up after she dreams about Maureen.)

Aftermath for Ed

Later Nola laying into Ed and Lillian about causing Maureen’s death even though this is years afterward. These scenes are from October 1996. This is great. (They are all in hospital gowns because they all got food poisoning at Matt and Vanessa’s wedding.) at 1:00)

Why Eve is there:

Eve Guthrie had previously dated Nick McHenry in Europe. She came to town and stalked him for awhile and then they dated for awhile as her behavior became more and more outrageous. Ed helped determine that an incident from her past had caused a psychotic break and miraculously was able to quickly overcome it. Eve and Ed became close friends. Most people in town continued to treat her with kid gloves because while she was no longer violent she still leaned heavily toward the whackadoodle in her behavior. Ed and her quickly grew closer, partly because they both felt like outcasts. Less than a year after Maureen’s death they became engaged. It was then Eve was diagnosed with a quickly developing cancer and while both Rick and Ed tried to find a cure in time, eventually Ed agreed to turn off the life support on a comatose Eve. This second “widowing” within two years, as well as his continued guilt over Maureen’s death, is what pushed Ed to leave Springfield to go off and atone by helping to “save the world.” Unfortunately, it also meant that Ed once again abandoned his children when they needed him most.

Why Rick isn’t there:

Rick, as he later tells Michelle repeatedly, was very close to his step-mother Maureen. If it was real life, undoubtedly both Rick and his best friend Phillip, would have been at the funeral right along with all those Reardons TPTB didn’t actually want to pay to come back so attended “off screen.” However, at this point both Rick and Phillip have “moved out of town” (see my soap opera jargon page).  Previously, Beth had returned from the dead in the company of an odd architect named Neil. She was suffering amnesia about her past and was mute due to a psychosomatic reaction to the event (she thought she killed a man who was trying to rape her) that triggered her disappearance and amnesia. Things were working out, she was talking again, she had regained her memory, and was back with Phillip when Neil, angry that he’d lost her to Phillip, committed suicide in such a way as to frame Phillip for his death. As the 4 Musketeers strove to prove Phillip’s innocence, Rick had married a pregnant with Lizzie Beth to convince people Phillip was really gone and Rick had stolen a corpse from hospital that they set up to be identified as Phillip. Eventually Phillip was cleared, but the crimes they committed while trying to prove his innocence came back to haunt them and both Phillip and Rick were forced to leave Springfield, basically as part of their probation. Phillip and Beth moved to Arizona where they happily raised Lizzie until Phillip learned that it was a family member that insured he be exiled to Arizona and he returned to find out who it was and seek revenge. Rick went to Chicago where the temporary revocation of his medical license helped push him to a pill addiction for the second time in his life and toward marriage with a, pre-driven crazy by Jeva, nurse named Annie Dutton who later followed Rick to Springfield.

Robansuefarm is the handle of one of Manny and Guiding Light‘s biggest fans following in her family’s footsteps of Guiding Light fandom since 1939. This blog is an effort to make it easy to find Guiding Light and especially Manny online. Check back here for her blog, find fanfic previews and fake WSPR newscasts on her YouTube, find podcasts that look back to old shows and audios of her fanfics on Blog Talk Radio, and finally follow her on Twitter and Facebook.

Viewer Feedback Line

July 14, 2014

Although there earlier attempts to solicit direct viewer feedback and even previous phone polls like the one to determine Quola’s son’s name. It was May 1, 1995 (according to this uploaded clip) that the original viewer feedback phone line went live and was advertised on air. This viewer feedback line allowed soap fans to directly comment. Whether they were actually listened to was another matter, but for involved soap fans it at least gave an outlet for feedback and gave a sense you were helping guide the show. I doubt such a feature would be included on a DVD or a purchased download edited episode so take a look at the Viewer Feedback line on this clip. 

Although not advertised as clearly or heavily (this was at the end of most episodes for awhile) soap feedback lines are still used by soap operas to solicit feedback from the viewers.

Robansuefarm is the handle of one of Manny and Guiding Light‘s biggest fans following in her family’s footsteps of Guiding Light fandom since 1939. This blog is an effort to make it easy to find Guiding Light and especially Manny online. Check back here for her blog, find fanfic previews and fake WSPR newscasts on her YouTube, find podcasts that look back to old shows and audios of her fanfics on Blog Talk Radio, and finally follow her on Twitter and Facebook.


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